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I can’t think of any examples off the top of my head, although I have heard this cadence before – it is fairly typical for two voices. Email Required, but never shown. By clicking “Post Your Answer”, you acknowledge that you have read our updated terms of serviceprivacy policy and cookie policyand that your continued use of the website is subject to these policies. It appears to me that in the context of the entire passage, the raised 7th has not been resolved, therefore you do in effect Codeswitcher, nope, minjet older notation, no rests.

What are the rules to this?

I should say that the mminuet of the last cadence in the Sarabande are both voice leading and fingering. As far as your question asks about “other cadences without a raised 7th in baroque music”, I would be remiss if I failed to mention the Phrygian Cadence, which was often used at the end of slow movements in jrieger keys. The delayed octave of the tonic root in the last bar is outside the 4-voice framework.

In such a case, the note acts quite a bit like it has been sustained until a note in the same register continues the motion in that register. From studying counterpoint in the style of Palestrina years ago, this cadence is sufficient.

Nick of Music 8. This isn’t species counterpoint; it’s rather more pragmatic, and less conjunct. Home Questions Tags Users Unanswered. In minuet in A minor by Johann Krieger, it doesn’t have a major 7th going to the octave, but it has the fifth going to the tonic and the tonic playing an octave above on both notes. Ascending fourths are common enough in perfect cadences: Here there is no bouncing bass, just the requirements of fingering.


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I’m presuming you mean this minuet: When I was looking at counterpoint, you were always supposed to have one voice going re do and one voice doing ti do. Is that also a non-perfect cadence because it doesn’t use the 5th?

The use of the lower octave of E in the penultimate bar is also typical – it has a centering effect on the tonic. Having done so, he needed to state the tonic up a fourth to bring everything beneath the hands.

The upper note is held while the lower octave sounds. Yeah, and lest we both forget, plagal cadences also lack the lower leading tone. Sign up or log in Sign up using Google. Although the final note before the cadence in the lower voice is a rising fourth rather than descending fifth, the note previous to this is in fact a falling fifth motion.

Sign up using Facebook. In this case, you could, perhaps, argue that he had no need to bounce the root of the dominant to a lower octave, but that is the centering motion I mentioned in my answer.

Patrx2 would you be able to provide an example of where an ascending fourth used in a perfect authentic cadence was necessary? Is this a common cadence?

There is a delayed resolution implied here. For the upper voice: I imagine that it would therefore be sufficient for Baroque as well. Post Your Answer Discard By clicking “Post Your Answer”, you acknowledge that you have read our updated terms of serviceprivacy policy and cookie policyand that your continued use of the website is subject to these policies.


Krieger doesn’t need to state the leading tone outright as he has used it and left it hanging in m. For the lower voice: The constraint to two voices kriegdr that some part of the the standard perfect cadence is going to be dropped.

Johan Krieger – Menuet

The bass of the minhet last cadence of the Sarabande and the suite also rises a fourth. It isn’t required for the tonic to be approached by the 7th in order to be considered a perfect authentic cadence. Are there other cadences without a raised 7th in baroque music? The point here is that this is not Renaissance polyphony which is what species counterpoint deals withit’s Baroque harmonic writing in a two-part framework.

Note the raised 7th in the previous bars before the cadence. Okay so it just needs to have some unresolved ti’s and then a do at the end? You’ll see a couple in the Froberger suite I referenced.

The relatively disjunct movement that Krieger used ojhann means that there is a strong suggestion of compound melody when ti is left hanging. Look at Bach’s Inventions for more examples. Post as a kriege Name. Sign up using Email and Password.

The half note in the bass part in bars 7, 15, 23, etc is a mistake, yes?